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|Hudson, OH – 6'2", 215|
|Scout||4*, #168 overall
#14 OLB, #9 OH
|Rivals||4*, #17 ILB, #19 OH|
|ESPN||4*, #281 overall
#33 ATH, #16 OH
|24/7||4*, #199 overall
#6 ILB, #10 OH
|Other Suitors||Ohio State, PSU, MSU, Stanford|
|Previously On MGoBlog||Hello post from Ace.|
|Notes||Played on the U19 national team thing.|
That weird Sports Stars of Tomorrow youtube thing covered him.
"Need a quarterback, running back, defensive back, linebacker, cover rusher? We have Ben," Narducci said. "He's 6-3, about 210 pounds and he's a real specimen."
The "freak" nickname originates from his days as a middle schooler. Michigan pulled the trigger on an offer in June of 2011 after he camped, which probably makes him the first kid other than Shane Morris in his recruiting year to get one. When Urban Meyer was hired, OSU shortly put their hat in the ring, setting up a Classic Michigan-Ohio State Recruiting Battle that went the right way.
Michigan has won an athletic consensus four star who, like a lot of guys in this class, could have opted for Stanford if he so chose. Gedeon maintained a 4.3 GPA what with his AP classes and such and meanwhile piled up enough tackles—126 as a senior alone—to become his high school team's all-time leader in that category. He also started at tailback, finishing as, well…
He leaves Hudson as the school's all-time leader in scoring (278 points), touchdowns accounted for (48), touchdowns scored (46), rushing touchdowns (37), rushing yards (3,052), rushing attempts (501) and 100-yard games (15).
I call him mini-Jabrill. He comes from a clan of these ubermensch, too: his older brother was a captain at Harvard and now works for Bain (yes that Bain), another older brother is in the Navy, his younger sister is called "Gabbartron."
Gedeon is going to play linebacker at Michigan, likely one of the two nearly-interchangeable ILB spots. His scouting watchwords are "athletic" and "throwback." ESPN's eval is strongly positive($) ("an impressive overall football player with a high probability of success") and covers the gamut:
…needs some time to develop physically, but when that area matches his athleticism and football intelligence we see a lot of production and consistency in his future. He has very good height on a large, leaner frame that lacks great bulk and power. … very quick to read and react. He has sound diagnosing skills and does a great job keeping gap responsibility and playing within the defense. … He's a solid inside filler, beats blockers to point of attack to make plays inside-out. He has the quickness and strength to scrape off-tackle and stay clean on lateral pursuit. He plays with a motor and has the speed, range and athleticism to make plays sideline-to-sideline.
The downside: he needs time to fill out, lacks lower body explosion, and doesn't have "immediate impact ability" at any one position.
Allen Trieu singled Gedeon out for a couple of scouting article($):
Analysis: He's an athletic kid who has played all over the field. …going to be able to run to the football and drop into coverage. …has all of the tools you look for and given the Wolverines' previous linebacker class, he is not a kid who is likely to be pressed into service right away.
The downside is similar: Hudson doesn't play a lot of top teams so he's going to have a bigger adjustment to college athletes, needs time, etc. The second notes that watching a Gedeon game is a bit of a challenge because you have to find him before every play:
…a sideline to sideline kind of guy. He can drop into coverage and come up and rush the quarterback. … at his best when coming forward either as a blitzer or blowing up a play by flying through a crease. He's an aggressive kid who did not hesitate when he found the ball. … let a few offensive linemen lock in on him and get him out of some plays. He's good at using his feet and speed to get around blocks, but I'd like to see him use his hands more to shed once they get into him.
Bottom Line: A great athlete who dominated a couple of the games I watched. I see him as a MIKE or a SAM in college. He's only going to get bigger and he's a pretty strong kid already. He can run, which is certainly an asset and he has good football smarts and savvy.
I seriously doubt SAM is in the cards what with Mike McCray in the same recruiting class, and given his currently lighter frame and athleticism, WLB seems like a more likely landing spot to me. That's just like my opinion man.
Gedeon didn't hit many camps but did go to a NTFC as a rising junior, impressing with his athleticism:
We saw Gedeon at two camps in the off-season. In early season film, though, he has looked even more athletic than when we saw him running around in just shorts and a t-shirt. At each new evaluation, Gedeon seems to have lost a little of the stiffness we saw out of him in our first evaluation. He may not quite be the 6-3, 215 pounds he is listed, and he does not blow running backs up, but Gedeon can run with backs and tight ends and will make for an athletic linebacker at the next level.
The picture here is a bit muddied by guys saying he's not that good at getting sideline to sideline and projects in the middle because of his toughness, another evaluation that declares him a "violent football player," and that Trieu projection to SAM/MLB. I'm of the belief he could become a college-level violence merchant… in time.
One thing everyone agrees on: this is a hard-nosed throwback football player.
- Bucknuts: "…great athlete. His junior highlights were outstanding. He makes plays all over the field. He’s almost a throwback type. He’s just a tough, hard-nosed football player.”
- Scout: "Pure football player with a throwback mentality and style."
- Touch The Banner: "He's a throwback linebacker who does a little bit of everything."
In addition, you can put Gedeon on the ever-growing pile of players that have whatever the opposite of character issues are. His coach:
"If you have a daughter, you want her to marry this kid,” Wright said. “He’s an extremely hard worker and he’s very dedicated. He comes from a work ethic family, where nothing is given to you and you’ve got to earn it. He’s athletic and smart – he’s got the whole package.”
One trait in particular stands out the most about Gedeon.
“I would say his perseverance,” Wright said. “He will continue to work as hard as you ask him to work. He’s always going to be the guy that gives you maximum effort on the field and in the classroom. He is a guy that can play a lot of positions, he’s very bright, he gives you great effort and he does the right thing.”
Gedeon and guys like Gedeon will see Michigan's attrition rate plummet to Penn State or Wisconsin levels, and help turn Michigan's recruiting from paper wins to actual ones.
"Going through even from the seventh grade on, he was always better than everybody [his age]. That's why you go to Michigan: because you're better than everybody."
“He laid out with one hand and it just stuck. He’s got the biggest hands of anybody I’ve ever seen,” Alex said. “And he gets up like it’s no big deal. I called him and said, ‘Ben, that was the greatest catch I’ve ever seen.’ He was like, ‘Aw, it’s pretty good.’ His humility and calm nature has earned him the nickname ‘Gentle Ben.’ ”
Why James Ross? Gedeon is probably not going to be the kind of instant starter-ish player that Ross was, but that's largely because James Ross is still on the roster. Ross is a non-huge instinctive linebacker who should develop into a primo WLB; he was a consensus four star approximately in the same range as Gedeon. Both project as quicker cover-oriented linebackers who use their minds to get ahead of everyone else on the field.
Differences: Gedeon may have an inch or two and could fill out to MLB size. Early indications are that Ross is a savant at play recognition, and if that turns out to be true it's tough to project anyone replicating that.
Guru Reliability: Moderate. They're all in the ballpark, guy had a high profile for a long time, but camp-averse. Obvious four-star camp-averse guys tend to get thrown in a bin and left there.
Variance: Low-plus. Academic anti-risk, lots of experience at the spot he projects to in college (and several he doesn't). Very likely to be a contributor of some variety. Does need some development.
Ceiling: High. Athletic, smart, football player. Football.
General Excitement Level: High-minus. Though Gedeon isn't a top 100 player at any site, Michigan wanted him after he camped and pursued him hard; he's probably underrated.
Projection: With a solid, senior-free two-deep in front of Gedeon at the two ILB spots a redshirt is a possibility. Linebackers often get dragooned into coverage units, like Royce Jenkins-Stone did last year. Gedeon is a leading candidate for "burned redshirt that I harp on over and over again" of the year. That year of separation from Ross would be most excellent.
In any case, Gedeon is likely to end up at WLB with his athleticism and a frame that's not likely to top out at 250, so he's got some time to play James Ross's apprentice. He'll start working his way into the lineup after his freshman year with an eye towards a two-year career as a starter after Ross is raptured up by the NFL.
The worst-kept secret in college football recruiting went public this afternoon when the nation's top cornerback, Paramus (NJ) Catholic's Jabrill Peppers, committed to Michigan in a televised ceremony on ESPNU (well, eventually... but Peppers' own school just let the cat out of the bag). Peppers is the tenth commit in the Wolverines' 2014 class; as a consensus five-star, he's obviously the highest-ranked of the bunch.
Normally a commit's highlight video goes in a section near the bottom of these posts. In the case of Peppers, that would be a disservice. Lest the scouting portion read as unabashed hyperbole, please watch 12 jaw-dropping minutes highlighting Peppers' junior season:
This whole post will still read as unabashed hyperbole, sure, but now you see that's simply a result of play near-impossible to discuss in reasoned tones.
|Scout||Rivals||ESPN||247 Sports||247 Comp.|
5*, 6.1, #4 CB,
5*, #1 CB,
5*, 95, #1 CB,
5*, 99, #1 ATH,
5*, #1 ATH,
Among the four recruiting services, only Scout doesn't consider Peppers the top player at his position, and he would be the #1 corner on 247Composite if they ranked him there (instead, he's listed as an athlete/safety). Should his rankings hold, Peppers would be the highest-ranked Michigan commit on Rivals or ESPN in the history of those respective outlets—unless, say, the Wolverines signed a higher-rated prospect in this very class, but let's take it one step at a time here. Each site save Scout (6'0", 190) lists Peppers at 6'1" and 205-210 pounds, giving him an NFL frame for both cornerback and safety.
Let's start with the most negative scouting report, which comes from Peppers' Scout profile page:
STRENGTHS Backpedal Quickness Change of Direction Closing Speed
AREAS FOR IMPROVEMENT Blitzing Ability Hip Flexibility Tackling Ability
There's a reason Peppers is five-star recruit. He doesn't [sic] so many things well, and he is also a very good leader. He can stay tight on a receiver in press coverage and also breaks on a ball well when playing off a receiver. He has size, speed, loose hips, is a tough competitor and can be a standout at receiver, running back, safety and cornerback. He is the total package. --Brian Dohn
Yes, that's the negative one, because there are multiple weaknesses listed: namely, Peppers' ability to blitz and tackle, as well as his hip flexibility. Scout's own Stanford outlet disagrees vehemently with the blitzing and tackling bit ($):
Finally, Peppers shows on video to be a very tough player and a violent tackler. If he does, as most expect, end up on the defensive side of the ball, his reaction skills could place him in the role of a top-end cornerback. However, his willingness and ability to strike and his blitzing competence could make Peppers an excellent safety, given that he is already around six feet tall and 200 pounds, or a corner who could master the nickelback role when necessary. He closes well on run plays and does so with a purpose, making him an all-around football player well worthy of his gaudy offer list.
That nickelback part is important—given how Michigan is using similarly-elite young athlete Dymonte Thomas this year, there's a very good chance Peppers plays there as a freshman. For a third opinion on Peppers' run-support skills, here's his ESPN evaluation ($):
Takes a lot of snaps at safety and shows great range coming downhill to make run stops near the line of scrimmage. Can play physical when needed and is an aggressive football player on run support. Quick to read and react and come up for support. Takes sharp angles, closes strong with great burst and will wrap and pop as a tackler. Box run support is still an area that he could improve on, particularly if he ends up playing safety at the next level.
Michigan is recruiting Peppers as a cornerback—first and foremost, at least—so his work inside the tackle box isn't as great of a concern, especially since we're not entirely sure it's a huge concern in the first place. Here's ESPN again, this time on his coverage skills:
Has the cover corner movements and length to lock down in man-to-man. Transitions sharply with little wasted motion. A naturally fluid athlete who is smooth changing directions and shows ability to quickly flip hips to turn and run with receivers. Shines in tight coverage as well with loose, sudden movements to mirror and the hand strength and length to take away leverage and reroute. Hard to create separation on. Also flashes an extra gear to make up ground when caught in trail position. Turns and runs well to accelerate under the ball in deep coverage. Deep reactions and positioning are excellent but he also excels at closing the cushion in underneath zone schemes and limiting run after catch.
Um, NOT BAD, especially when his size is taken into account. If you're getting the sense that Peppers is the type of athlete who could pretty much play wherever he wanted... well, Scout's staff agrees with you ($):
Peppers would be a four-star running back, and a four-star receiver, but he is best in the secondary, where he would be a five-star safety if his best position was not cornerback. He is physical on the jam, has the acceleration to play off a receiver and then close quickly to break up a pass. He has loose hips and the ability to close, and he enjoys shedding blocks and making tackles.
Case in point—in February, Rivals did an overview of the top running backs of the 2014 class, and Mike Farrell's kicker quote puts Peppers in the same category as three five-star running backs ($):
"High school football is about keeping the ball in your best player's hands," he said. "We saw a time when that was guys like Percy Harvin and Derrick Williams and sometimes it is a dual-threat quarterback like Vince Young or Terrelle Pryor, but right now it is these guys.
"Players like (No. 2-ranked) Jabrill Peppers, [Jalen] Hurd, [Bo] Scarbrough, and [Leonard] Fournette are so talented that you want the ball in their hands 40 times a game if they can handle it. Their size makes them physically able to take it, and the physical gifts make them stand out for rankings purposes."
When doing a similar overview of this year's strong crop of cornerbacks—headline "The Year of the Cornerback ... again?"—Farrell again put Peppers in elite company; namely, saying he'd compete as a junior for the top spot in 2013's senior class, a highly lauded group themselves ($):
"Peppers' instincts, athleticism, speed and playmaking ability are very similar to former Florida All-American cornerback Joe Haden," Rivals.com Mid-Atlantic recruiting analyst Adam Friedman said. "He is the type of cornerback who can lock down one side of the field and is not afraid to come up hard to stop the run. Peppers is almost at that same level as Kendall Fuller and Vernon Hargreaves and would push for the top spot in the 2013 cornerback class. The three of them have a lot of the same qualities."
"Jabrill Peppers reminds me a little bit of Vernon Hargeaves III in build and ball skills, but Peppers is more explosive as an offensive player," Farrell said. "On defense, however, both are exceptional."
Rivals named Peppers as one of their initial 2014 five-stars (obviously, that opinion hasn't changed), and Adam Friedman cited a reason beyond his considerable physical talents ($):
Analyst's take: "Physical tools aside, Peppers' leadership qualities and toughness set him apart from other players with comparable measurables and should prove invaluable at the next level. Peppers has a variety of skills that make him an excellent all-around athlete. His toughness and aggressive mentality make him a shoe-in for the defensive side of the ball, most likely at cornerback. Peppers' technique and footwork make it extremely difficult for a receiver to get any separation, especially because Peppers has great closing speed. He is very physical when going in for a tackle and is always a threat when it comes to causing a turnover, whether he is picking off a pass or causing a fumble. He is even a disruptive force when rushing the passer because he disguises the blitz and has the speed and strength to beat the blocker." -- Adam Friedman, Mid-Atlantic Analyst, Rivals.com
This sentiment is very much shared by Peppers' high school coach:
His coach says: "Put aside the fact that he's 205 pounds and physical and extremely fast, his mentality and the mental aspects of his game, I think, make him what he is. He is so smart on and off the field and he really gets it. He understands the game. He feels it out and understands the schemes and what we are trying to do. His leadership is also great. He really is the total package. His work ethic is excellent. He is a competitor in everything he does. You can't ask for anything more and he's a leader and pushes his teammates. I can't predict the future but the sky is the limit for Jabrill. If he stays on this path, we're going to see some great things out of him. When he does move on, he's going to choose the right place and do some big things with his life." -- Paramus Catholic coach Chris Partridge
Partridge has good reason to be so laudatory—Peppers won him a state championship last season with a virtuoso performance in the title game:
CB/RB Jabrill Peppers
Paramus (N.J.) Paramus Catholic, 6-0, 185, Class of 2014
CONSIDERING: A top five of Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Stanford and USC.
PERFORMANCE: Primarily playing as a Wildcat quarterback, Peppers rushed for more than 200 yards and had touchdown runs of 81 and 53 yards, the latter coming on Paramus' first offensive play, in a 37-34 win over Oradell (N.J.) Bergen Catholic in the Non-Public, Group 4 championship.
WHAT IMPRESSED: The physical gifts are obvious but most impressive is how Peppers handled himself this season in the face of criticism. Peppers left national power Ramsey (N.J.) Don Bosco for Paramus Catholic this season, and it ended with him winning a championship. -- Jared Shanker
Shanker mentions Peppers transferring from traditional powerhouse Don Bosco before his junior season. This was a big deal, as even in his freshman season Peppers had analysts trying to put his talent in a historical context—here's Farrell again ($):
Jabrill Peppers, Don Bosco, 5-9/150, CB, 2014 prospect
Peppers is a true freshman who is already the talk of the Bosco coaching staff. Are we looking at the next great Bosco player and how will he handle the pressure of starting for last year's No. 1 team? Is he the best cornerback at Bosco since Michael Ray Garvin or will he be even better?
1.) CB Jabrill Peppers, Paramus Catholic (N.J.) -- Peppers is, without question, the top prospect in New Jersey and may be the best from the Garden State in a few years. Already an impact player on three state-championship teams (at the highest level of competition), Peppers could be on his way to being one of the best players in the history of the state.
Peppers might very well turn out to be the best prospect ever to come out of the state of New Jersey. He could star as a defensive back for any program in the country and could also be just as effective as a running back. Peppers is currently the No.2 ranked prospect in the nation and there really doesn't seem to be much he can't do. He fled Don Bosco and it was no coincidence that after six straight Bosco state titles, Peppers and Paarmus Catholic took that state crown in 2012.
...well, you read the bolded text, presumably. Recent five-star New Jersey prospects include Florida S Will Hill, Florida State S Myron Rolle, and Virginia OT Eugene Monroe, who went eighth overall in the 2009 NFL Draft. New Jersey may not have the talent of Texas or Florida, but it still produces plenty of top prospects, and Peppers ranks up there with any player to come out of the state—with his senior season still to play.
MARLIN JACKSON SCOUTING
I exchanged a few emails with former Michigan All-American defensive back and Super Bowl champion Marlin Jackson, who was kind enough to give his take on Peppers' film. Get ready for the comparison to beat all other comparisons, non-Fred Jackson division:
This young man is the total package at defensive back, he even has the skills to be a legitimate threat on offense, or in return game.
Top notch athleticism, speed, agility, and strength. Very, very instinctive player, anticipates snap count well when blitzing. He is more than a corner. This kid can be a lock-down corner and also slide inside and dominate at nickel back, covering and blitzing.
Closes on the ball extremely well, great ball skills, plays the ball well down field on receivers, goes up and makes plays. Exceptional tackler, closes ground fast and explodes on contact. My favorite thing about him is the passion and attitude he plays with, not cocky, but very, very confident, plays with swag and enthusiasm.
He will be a college football All-American, as long as he continues to work hard he should be a first-round draft pick, his talent is at that level. He's already built like a college corner, immediate starter from day one of stepping on a college campus.
Athleticism and skill of Patrick Peterson with overall football instincts of Charles Woodson.
Anyone and everyone, basically—here are the highlights: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miami (YTM), Nebraska, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Penn State, Stanford, South Carolina, Tennessee, UCLA, USC, and West Virginia. Any major programs not on the list are missing for one of two reasons: they didn't have a chance and therefore didn't bother, or it reached the point where Peppers—like many top prospects making an early decision—stopped reporting each and every one of his offers.
From Juwann Bushell-Beatty's commitment post:
Led by Jabrill Peppers, Paramus Catholic won last year's state title in the New Jersey Non-Public Group 4 division, which includes football powerhouses like Don Bosco Prep. Despite their recent success, Paramus Catholic hasn't produced a ton in the way of BCS recruits—before this 2014 group, only 2011 four-star DT Marquise Wright (Rutgers) and 2010 three-star OL Dan Foose (Florida State) committed to BCS schools since 2002, per the Rivals recruiting database.
With all the talk of Peppers possibly being the best high school player in the history of New Jersey, it's safe to say he's the best prospect to ever come out of Paramus Catholic.
According to ESPN, Peppers rushed for 1,552 yards and 18 touchdowns on 172 carries (9.0 ypa), caught 20 passes for 337 yards (16.9 ypc) and five touchdowns, and recorded 77 tackles, two TFLs, a sack, and three interceptions as a junior. The tape also shows that Peppers was a terror in the return game and even completed a couple passes, so the above somehow fails to capture the entire impact of his performance.
FAKE 40 TIME
247 lists a 40 time of 4.50 seconds, which is entirely believable and gets zero FAKEs because...
REAL 100/200 TIMES
"He could've just chilled..."
...Peppers has posted very real, very fast times on the track this year:
The Paramus Catholic junior speedster set a meet record as he blazed to a 10.83 clocking to win the 100-meter sprint at Thursday’s sixth annual Don Bosco Ironman Invitational at Ramapo College.
Peppers, who slightly strained his right groin at last week’s Penn Relays, beat the mark of 10.95 by Hackensack’s Conroy Walker in 2010.
"I didn’t want to aggravate it but I ran overall pretty well. I came out of the blocks quick and just kept in a natural rhythm," Peppers said. "I’ve done as well as 10.8 this year and my personal best is 10.77 last year, but I think I can get it down to 10.4 by the time the states come around. That’s my goal and I think I can achieve it."
Oh, and the 100 may not be his best event—Peppers believed he broke the state record in the 200-meter dash earlier this month, and while a review revealed a timekeeping error...
Fraulo said Peppers' time is 21.37.
"That stands as official,'' said Fraulo.
...yeah, still fast.
If 12 minutes of highlights is too much, here's a condensed version of his junior highlights with some different camera angles and lots of slow-mo:
MaxPreps picks out the top ten plays from his junior film, which couldn't have been easy:
247 has a short sophomore reel:
Some people get all the talent, so of course Jabrill Peppers has considerable skill with a mic in his hand, not to mention a great ear for beats:
The song has a stamp of approval from Vin Rock of 90's hip hop legends Naughty By Nature—Vin (real name: Vinnie Brown) grew up in the same East Orange, NJ, neighborhood as Jabrill's father, Terry Peppers, and reached out to Jabrill (stage name: J-Reall) after seeing the music video on Twitter, according to this article from TomVH:
Brown happened to be looking through his Twitter feed when an article came across his tweets that mentioned the younger Peppers, whose rap name is JReall, and his new song, “Don’t Take it Personal.” Brown read the article and watched the music video and couldn’t believe what he had seen.
“I would always hear about [Jabrill], and it was kind of like we let him do his thing and now he’s surfacing on his own. That was the first time I had heard him rap, I didn’t even know he had a crew like that,” he said. “I watched the video and listened to the song and it is really good. Jabrill’s song is like a throwback to ’90’s hip hop and I was like, ‘Wow, I’m really impressed.’ ”
Peppers began making music at ten years old, using it as way to relax—and also deal with the absence of his father, who's been imprisoned since Jabrill was seven years old and will see him for the first time since when he's paroled in June (the two have kept in touch only by phone in the last ten years). If you need any further indication that Peppers is mature beyond his years, I strongly recommend reading that article.
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
In case it isn't clear by this point, Peppers is going to get a chance to make an impact in all three phases of the game: while he projects best to cornerback, he could also line up at running back, wide receiver, wildcat quarterback, safety, and kickoff and punt returner. Yes, insert the Charles Woodson quote here:
"[Greg Mattison] compared me to (Woodson) a lot actually, but my goal is that I want to be better than Charles Woodson," Peppers said confidently. "I love the way Coach Greg Mattison uses his corners and his scheme. It absolutely fits into my style of play — aggressive (and) fearless. He wants his corners to be fearless. If he wants you to go lockup on an island, you had better lockup on that island. If he wants you to come off the edge, you better come off the edge ready to bring some pain."
(Woodson approves, by the way.) So, yeah, there's that.
In my opinion, Michigan is going to initially use Peppers much like they'll use Dymonte Thomas this fall—Thomas, who projects to safety down the road, has already locked down the starting nickelback job after enrolling early. Thomas should move to safety in 2014 when Thomas Gordon's spot will be available, leaving the nickel position available for Peppers to step in and make an early impact. I asked Marlin Jackson why it seems the Wolverines are putting their most physically talented freshmen defensive backs at the nickel spot before moving them to their natural position, and he provided this explanation—based in large part on his own experience at Michigan:
Nickel is just about raw athleticism, not as much about technique, more so about about natural football instincts and skills. This is why most schools put top incoming freshmen in this slot.
Nickel was my starting position and I was starting by Big Ten play. Allows you to get comfortable. When you have players like Jabrill, myself, and Dymonte, who are athletic, have good size and instincts along with a physical style of play, you have good candidate for nickelback.
After a freshman year at nickel, Peppers could either wrest the starting boundary corner spot away from Raymon Taylor or stay in the slot for a second year until Taylor graduates. By 2015, I'd expect to see him locking down that boundary spot, where his size and skill in run support make him an ideal fit. He could also end up as a jack-of-all-trades defensive back, lining up all over the field to keep offenses on their toes, and he'll almost certainly make an impact in the return game and see some snaps on offense.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
Peppers accounts for one of what should be two cornerback spots in the 2014 class; at this point, it looks likely that Peppers will be joined by IL CB Parrker Westphal whenever the latter makes his decision, though the Wolverines will also pursue five-star CA CB Adoree' Jackson and four-star DC CB Jalen Tabor, among others. Other remaining needs include strongside linebacker, a third offensive lineman, and a couple of three-tech/SDE types.
The biggest upshot from Peppers' commitment, though, may be the impact it has on the decision of other top recruits—namely #1 overall prospect Da'Shawn Hand, whom Peppers has told his fellow Michigan commits is his top recruiting priority as a member of Team 135. There's no question that Michigan landing a prospect of Peppers' caliber will send waves through the recruiting community and catch the attention of top national prospects, and with the way Brady Hoke is recruiting that could be enough to vault the Wolverines into serious contention for the top recruiting class in 2014—the only mitigating factor may be the small projected size of the class (currently slated to be 15 players but likely to approach 20 when all is said and done).
Take it away, drum major:
I'm just interested in the shirt. Ondre Pipkins caught a no-doubt exhausted Frank Clark catching some uncomfortable-looking Zs at something or another. As a man who slept through most of AP Bio in high school I have no leg to stand on as far as criticism of that activity. I'm just interested in his shirt:
EARN THE RIGHT TO RUSH 4
That would be nice.
And the shoes. Dr. Sap puts together a history of Michigan's shoes.
It's more interesting than it sounds. Before Nike came in in 1983, Michigan had seven different suppliers!
It's halftime. Jabrill Peppers has 20 minutes. He's already fixed your car, dated your daughter respectfully, and optioned a screenplay, so it's time to get props from Naughty By Nature:
“I would always hear about [Jabrill], and it was kind of like we let him do his thing and now he’s surfacing on his own. That was the first time I had heard him rap, I didn’t even know he had a crew like that,” he said. “I watched the video and listened to the song and it is really good. Jabrill’s song is like a throwback to ’90’s hip hop and I was like, ‘Wow, I’m really impressed.’ ”
In the time it took you to read that blockquote, Jabrill Peppers made crostini, pulled invasive garlic mustard out of an acre of parkland, and charged your phone. No, he didn't plug it into the wall.
Stick ball sports. Baseball got swept out of the Big Ten tournament, completing a promising first season for Eric Bakich. Michigan was vastly young this year, with just four seniors on the team: three relievers and Eric Biondi. With most of the best players underclassmen and a strong recruiting class coming in, baseball should be on an upward swing. Unfortunately, they'll probably lose slugger Michael O'Neill, who's projected to go somewhere in the first four rounds.
As you may know from the wince-inducing, nonsensical, miserable puns in your inbox…
Alumni Field Will Be Ragin' (& Cajun) This Weekend - Time To BUY(OU) Tickets
We're Jumba-LAY-ing It On Thick - Don't Miss The SOUP-er Regional This Weekend
…softball takes on Louisiana-Lafayette starting… uh… in a couple hours. If you're around and free, tickets are reasonably priced. If you're not, it's on ESPNU. Tomorrow's game is at noon, on plain ol' ESPN, with an if-necessary third game scheduled for ESPN at 3. Winner hits the WCWS. In the face with a bat.
"No, WE'RE going to murder the language more." Fed up with recruits claiming to be committed to schools they have no chance of actually signing with, schools fire back with offers that aren't anything like offers:
Alabama’s scholarship offers at some positions, most notably quarterback, are non-committable and pending an evaluation at summer camp.
The non-committable offer. Everything is a lie. This is a society that takes true things, hits them in the head with shovels, buries them neck-deep in turds, and waits for the tide to come in. This is called right-shoveling. All of everything is false and wrong and a lie. These words are random assemblages of symbols that have no inherent meaning. I cannot communicate at all, there is no meaning, I am floating in that crazy sad void in that one Death Cab song on that album I can't listen to for reason of not wanting to kind of want to put my face in a bathtub of water.
This may be an overreaction.
IT WAS NOT AN OVERREACTION. Charlie Weis got bought out for 19 million dollars. Oh hai meaningless Death Cab void.
Carl Hagelin has powers. Spooky powers:
GOOD EFFORT TRY WIN FIGHT. MLive asks what trolling is, discovers it is trolling. Revelations!
For example, when MSU fans post things like "LOL Walmart Wolverine skunk weasels" or when U-M fans post things like "LOL little brother" nothing is added to the conversation.
They are counseling commenters to ignore people who bother them, which if followed will reduce comments to four per article, all of them from me fighting with myself.
Marlin scouting Gordon. Thomas, that is. And how:
"Thomas Gordon could be a really good player," Jackson said during a recent interview. "If you look at him physically, he's everything you could want in an NFL safety."
"But I would just like to see him become more aggressive, when he's coming to make plays on the football and closing on open-field tackles," Jackson said. "Little things, but big things."
Etc.: Iowa loses a Ufer-equivalent. White House gets down with voracity. Everything you need to know about the Champions League final and horses. Toussaint "fired up" to keep his job, maybe play behind a line that will get him more than two inches of space. Denard can run man. How the pants was he still available in the fifth round man.
Yay recruits! I have no idea who these people are! /Upchurch
It's ours again, the title they don't give you for having the best recruiting class three months before the previous season begins. Yes, other classes are going to finish strong once a lot of five-stars make their decisions, you know, eight months from now. But like Notre Dame's September Heismans and OSU's November national champs, being in the top spot is better than not being there.
You know those Big Ten recruiting roundups Ace does? EGD did the same for our non-conference opponents in the years to come. Hello again Notre Dame…
|247 Rk||Team||Guys||5*||4*||3*||Scout Avg.||Rivals Avg.||ESPN Avg.||247 Avg.||Overall Avg.|
He's keeping it updated. Make it a weekly, guy with the Hail to the Thief logo. No Virginia Tech because even if the 2014 guys redshirt they won't be around for 2020. Good to see Bielema is still recruiting the Wisconsin way despite the move to the SEC.
Blueheron took a look at recruiting over the back end, in how many NFL draft picks Michigan contributed over X period. This was always going to be the case once we went to a spread offense but yeah 2009-'13 wasn't our best period. Relatedly Chris Brown of Smart Football asked for crowd-sourced data on conference contribution to NFL rosters and whether there's a difference for guys in the league less than 5 years. I responded with a chart (click it for full size)…
…and put the Excel doc in the public realm for anyone whose idea of a relaxing Memorial Day weekend is pivot tables. Meantime I saved the Big Ten comparison just for you:
So we've got more old dudes (even with Hutchinson and Backus retiring) left from the middle Carr years, but since Rich Rod we've had a Sparty-like contribution. I expect this will change with the NFL types now working their way up the roster, and in five years you'll look at this chart and see Michigan next to OSU (with maybe a residually small yellow portion). Really, Michigan is the difference between the B1G being just as much an NFL factory as the SEC, and being something between that and the Pac12.
In other people who probably love Pivot Tables, The Mathlete looked into the recruiting of Maryland and Rutgers to see where they get their players and if getting into those markets might help Michigan and co., kinda like how we went into Pennsylvania in the '90s and snatched up Rob Swett, Damon Denson, Will Peterson, Dave Armstrong, Marlin Jackson*, Scott McClintock, Tim Massaqoui, Steve Breaston, Ryan Mundy, Chad Henne, Marques Slocum, and Marques Slocum's pet Fuck Lion.
*[Marlin could count for Ohio, since Sharon is just the Pennsylvania suburb of Youngstown, but then PSU still felt that one sharply. Speaking of PSU fans, if you know any tell them to get the Penn State version of HTTV (3 days left on the kickstarter).]
Getting Nebraska didn't come with the same windfall, rather the Huskers and their Ohioan of a coach are probably damaging Michigan State and Iowa and Illinois rather than opening up new territory. On the other hand D.C. and environs have a lot of talent which, unlike Nebraska, concentrates in a certain geographic area. Nudging Virginia Tech out of there would be nice. As a follow-up maizeonblueaction looked at how the SEC has fared in the Midlands since adding Texas and Missouri. Answer: very small uptick, but I disagree that you can tell from 2012 numbers since those kids were mostly at the "down to five schools" phase when A&M was announced. If there's an effect, it's probably the opportunity to play close to home sometimes, and to be on TV at home, which means kids in the Dallas region aren't going to go to Mississippi now because they'll get to travel to A&M, but Houston kids might.
And finally LSAClassof2000 downloaded the Rivals database and WENT. TO. TOWN. on charts of average star rating for B1G teams and comparisons to Michigan. I take two:
Arrested development. Speaking of recruits who didn't necessary pan out as well as we thought, hey did you see this year's hockey team? MGoBlueline did a comparison of the stats between the beloved 2011-'12 squad and the begrudged 2012-'13 guys. There's a mass exodus of defensemen from here and, guh, the streak. By the way his inspiration was Ron Utah's thing back in January that I know you didn't click on in January because I track those links – his does the same thing with the last two football teams.
And since the board's been pretty calm in these OT days, a quick…
Best of the Board
COMPANY CHEATS, GOOD GUY CHICKENS OUT, MUST BE TRESSEL-RELATED
yUP. mGrowOld had that dinner with Tressel he won for his company winning an award and him being a good employee who never posts pictures of his hot wife on the internet or spends time during the work day on message boards. But they pulled the bait 'n switch at the last minute and stuck the big sponsors instead of the promised winners at the keynote's table. GrowOld also chickened out about asking Tressel whether he was embarrassed, like at all, AND chickened out about the tie. Still a good read.
LIKE LITTLE YOU PEOPLE
MGoParents saw an opening when we didn't moderate an "OT: I Just had TWINS!" post and made an MGobaby thread, which became an all your kids thread. All the Aunt points in the world to julesh for crocheting a winged helmet for her brother's kid—you can tell your brother his laziness in not instantly getting a photo of the kid in the hat when duty called has cost his son a chance to be seen by thousands of strangers on the internet. Victor of the thread would still have gone to ems78, who produced* this:
Three weeks old and already has the song down.
* [Double entendre!]
ETC. Urban's secret: telling recruits he likes big butts, and he cannot lie—okay the other brothers are calling on the lying thing and say they deny—completely and utterly deny. And in the thread about the Penn State thing that SI was trying to make a thing but really wasn't a thing at all, this appeared and I wow'ed:
Origin? Previous thread? Did I miss a photoshop thread somewhere of Branch going on a destructive rampage of all sorts of famous photography? SIAP, but can we have one?
Your Moment of Zen:
Don't. Step. On. Our. Banner.
THE IMPORTANT THING: What Time Do I Need To Take A Break From Watching Arrested Development on Sunday?
Jabrill Peppers announces his college decision on Sunday at 5:15 pm ET on ESPNU. Everything we've seen and heard for the last several weeks—Gerry Hamilton's contrarianism notwithstanding—points to a Michigan commitment. While Peppers is declining to take interviews until his announcement, his coach is making the media rounds and claims that his star athlete isn't quite sure of his decision yet:
Representatives from the University of Michigan visited Paramus Catholic last week and spent much of the day there, inquiring about the Garden State's top athlete. The Wolverines are thought to take a commanding lead for his services into the weekend, although the star athlete has yet to officially solidify which school he will be selecting, Sunday.
"He doesn't know, just yet," [Paramus Catholic coach Chris] Partridge told NJ.com. "He's still visiting schools this week."
Although Partridge was reluctant to release the list of schools Peppers will be taking a look at during the final days of his recruiting process, there has been speculation that he will make a stop at Rutgers some time this week.
I'm not saying Peppers' coach is just doing his best to add some suspense—and there's nothing wrong with that—but I'll just leave this quote here:
“I know and feel very confident in the decision I’m going to make,” said Peppers.
Okay, I'm saying Peppers' coach is just doing his best to add some suspense. That's my last word on Peppers until Sunday, when there will either be many more words or we'll be attempting to salvage the flaming wreckage of the MGoBoard.
Chase Winovich Update: More Of The Same
PA LB Chase Winovich still has Michigan in his top three (with Ohio State and Pitt), is still contemplating visits (definitely to Pitt, unsure of others), and, yes, is still giving really confusing quotes to reporters, per Sam Webb ($):
That consistent focus that trio of favorites combined with his aforementioned decision timeline was fodder for speculation about a commitment being forthcoming. One recent report went a step beyond speculating and indicated that a decision next week was imminent, a claim that Winovich denies.
"I think the question (from the reporter) was 'is it possible that I could commit to a school after my Pitt visit?'," he recalled. "I think I said, 'yeah, anything is possible.' He said, 'could you let me know so I could put you on a commit watch?' So I said, 'yeah, anything is possible.'" (Laughter).
For the record, Winovich is still in deliberation mode with no definite decision date in sight.
I've said previously that I've heard optimism from both the Michigan and Ohio State sides regarding their chances with Winovich; the above may give a hint as to why. I claim no insider info here, but I switched my prediction for him from U-M to OSU yesterday, because it appears the Wolverines are picking up interest in other OLB prospects—something I doubt they would do if they were confident Winovich would take the final linebacker spot.
[Late-Breaking NOTE: Ohio State just added a commitment from linebacker Dante Booker, but according to 247's Steve Wiltfong the Buckeyes would still accept a commitment from Winovich($). Bad news for Michigan, good news for me not having to rewrite this entire section.]
After a period in which they'd fallen out of contact, Michigan and Crete (IL) Monee four-star LB Nyles Morgan have reconnected, and Morgan told GBW's Josh Newkirk that he's still interested in the Wolverines ($):
“Coach (Curt) Mallory came by,’ [Morgan] said. “I also talked with (defensive coordinator) Greg Mattison on the phone last week. He said he would be by this week.”
With the Wolverine coaching staff accelerating their efforts to connect with Morgan, he said he would like to build a better relationship with Mattison.
“I just want to have a good conversation with him,” he said. “I had previously good conversations with him before. At Michigan we had real good conversation. That was pretty nice, too. I just want to get to know him a little better and have him get to know me.”
Morgan mentioned the possibility of visiting either for July's BBQ at the Big House or a game this fall; he's not in any hurry to decide, so Michigan could still become a contender for his signature.
According to 247's Clint Brewster($), linebackers coach Roy Manning spent seven hours(!!) with Florida prospect Darrion Owens and claimed he is their "top target" at linebacker. Owens received an offer a month ago and—at 6'3", 225 pounds—has the frame to play on the strong side.
Four-star LA LB Kenny Young—who claims a very strong list of offers—hasn't been mentioned as a major possibility for the Wolverines, but he has them on a list of schools he'd like to see, per Rivals' Jason Howell ($):
What schools does he plan to check out?
"Like the Florida schools - Florida, Florida State, Miami," Young said. "Those three, I'll also try to visit Arkansas, Tennessee, Michigan… Arizona State."
Michigan still has a very real chance with Winovich; that said, it's clear that they're also exploring other options in case they need one.
[Hit THE JUMP for updates on four top 2014 targets—including one discussing a possible commitment—as well as news on Michigan's 2015 QB offeree and much more.]
Would You Like A Commitment Watch With Your Commitment Watch?
HEY 2014 RECRUITS THIS IS GREAT AND ALL BUT I'D LOVE TO RELAX A LITTLE THIS SUMMER IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS aww hell I give up ($):
Smack dab in the middle of spring football practice at Liberty, [coach John] Truby and [four-star PA WR K.J.] Williams aren’t spending too much time mulling over a potential college commitment. Coach and star did manage to spend a few minutes discussing his recent phone conversations with coach Ferrigno and the Wolverines, conversations indicating a decision might not be far off for Williams.
“They just went over what the next steps are in the cycle as K.J. does give a verbal and things that will be expected of him,” said Truby. “From what I hear, K.J. said it went pretty good.”
“With K.J., you’re just trying to give him some tips, what to look for -- I know he does like Michigan, he had a great time up on his visit. But as far as is he close or is he not close -- I’m not quite sure. Honestly, he could give his verbal tomorrow and it wouldn’t surprise me.”
Michigan's biggest competition for Williams, at the moment, appears to be Syracuse. That's a head-to-head battle the Wolverines are going to win more times than not.
Four-star NJ DE/TE Garrett Dickerson has had Michigan in his final five for the last month, but subsequent commitments at both of his potential positions had some questioning if he was still an option; per Sam Webb, Dickerson is still interested and the Wolverines are now recruiting him as a defensive end ($). He's been to Ann Arbor once before and is looking to make a return visit either this summer or during the season; right now, he claims no favorites.
Four-star PA S Montae Nicholson is still taking the recruting process at a deliberate pace, but that hasn't stopped Michigan from being in frequent contact, per Sam Webb ($). Nicholson's coach, for one, appears to be in Michigan's corner:
“Coach Funk has been wonderful,” Nicholson’s coach, Don Smith said. ["]Coach Funk has been really really wonderful. He has shown tremendous interest in (Montae) consistently. Let me just say this… his first official visit is supposed to be to the Notre Dame/Michigan game, so that ought to tell you something right there.”
Per TomVH, Michigan coaches stopped by to visit four-star IL OL Jamarco Jones this week. With Alex Bars off the board to Notre Dame, Jones is one of the team's top targets to fill the third, and likely final, offensive line spot in the class.
2015 QB Target: Acquired
Michigan's coaches have made it clear that they plan to take one quarterback in each recruiting cycle, and for the 2014 class they took plenty of time before settling on a top target: Wilton Speight didn't receive his offer until this February and pounced on it almost immediately.
The 2015 class appears to be different, as the Wolverines offered CA QB Josh Rosen on Tuesday, per multiple outlets. Rosen told Steve Lorenz that Michigan's willingness to jump in early adds some weight to their offer ($):
"My coach told me earlier this afternoon that Michigan was going to offer, but that he wanted me to keep it quiet until I actually got it," Rosen said. "It's awesome in the sense that more and more big traditional programs are looking at me. Michigan even more because their process is usually very slow with quarterbacks so that's an honor in itself."
247's newly-released 2015 rankings give insight into why the Wolverines are throwing their hat in the ring this quickly—he's their #5 overall prospect, with a scouting report that suggests he's the ideal fit for Michigan's offense:
“Rosen, a strong-armed righty with more than a handful of verbal offers can make every throw required on the next level. He rips the ball down the field to the sidelines and up the seams with equal accuracy and possesses plus arm power. Rosen, who stands tall in the pocket, does a very good job of making accurate throws with balance and natural weight transfer that hits wide receivers in stride and provides the chance to maximize run after the catch yards. He also features a quick arm, but not necessarily as compact of a action as some others. While he isn't a dual-threat prospect, and shouldn't considered that, he is a pro-style signal caller with the ability to move with body quickness in the pocket, buy time and deliver the ball to second and third reads. As physically gifted as Rosen is, in terms of his arm strength and size combo, he is also sharp with the ability to understand scheme and process. He's more than just a strong right arm." -Gerry Hamilton, National Scouting Director, 247Sports
The highlights above lend plenty of credence to that scouting report; aside from some minor mechanical issues (his delivery is a touch long, but we're talking about a high school sophomore here), the worst thing you can say about Rosen's film is that his receivers are largely incapable of catching his perfectly on-target lasers. Yes, DO WANT.
Being from California, Rosen said he may have a tough time visiting Michigan this summer, but interest in the school is definitely there; he'll wait to get his offers, play his junior season, and start the recruiting process in earnest after that.
If the Wolverines need a more local backup plan, it appears they've got a couple. IL QB Jack Beneventi doesn't have an offer but still holds the Wolverines in very high regard, per GBW's Josh Newkirk ($):
While Michigan is currently not on Beneventi’s offer list, the Wolverines’ have shown some interest, as they were in his school recently to talk with his head coach.
“They came and talked my coach,” Beneventi said. “They told him they would be recruiting me hard and keeping in touch. I’m excited about that, it’s Michigan, you know. It’s a huge school. My favorite quarterback is Tom Brady. He went there. I am very interested in Michigan. I also know they are going back to the pro-style now.”
Beneventi is an early four-star (#195 overall) on 247 and already holds a Notre Dame offer, so he looks like a quality option if Rosen—who'll be recruited by everyone—decides to go elsewhere. He's not the only 2015 Illinois quarterback who's got his eyes on Michigan, either; Newkirk also caught up with David Edwards, who... well it sounds like he'd be open to being a Wolverine, that's for sure ($):
“Michigan has always been my favorite school,” Edwards exclaimed. “I love the tradition there. My dad played at Indiana and was a big, big Michigan fan (growing up). He ended up going to Indiana. So, love, love Michigan. Love the Blue.”
Edwards said both coach Curt Mallory and coach Jeff Hecklinski have been by his school to talk to his head coach.
“They just want me to visit at the end of July for the BBQ at the Big House,” Edwards said. “Coach Mallory actually, his father recruited my dad and he recruited my cousin to go to Illinois, and now he is recruiting me to go to Michigan. I think it’s awesome. I feel like I am destined to go to Michigan.”
Edwards doesn't hold any offers yet, but claims "considerable" interest from Michigan, MSU, Ohio State, Stanford, and Florida State; he's tentatively planning to attend Michigan's camp in June. If an offer comes... well, you can read, presumably.
Big Day For Swen Swenson And Swen's Son And No This Isn't Confusing In The Slightest
I'm still very much on board with it being way too early to talk about 2016 recruits, but exceptions must be made. In this case, Michigan offered rising sophomore lineman Erik Swenson of Downers Grove, Illinois, and it's safe to say he's an early Wolverine lean, per TomVH ($):
As Swenson’s father, Swen, discussed the offer over the phone, a neighbor in a Michigan jersey yelled Go Blue. Swenson returned the favor and proudly exclaimed that his son received an offer from the Wolverines.
“We’re ecstatic. This is a huge day for all of us,” Swenson said. “If you’re an elite left tackle it’s kind of hard not to look at Michigan. You have Jake Long, who needs no introduction, and now you have Taylor Lewan.”
Swen Swenson—yes, Swen Swenson—confirmed to GBW that Michigan is at the top of his son's early list ($):
“I think he will really make his choice until after his senior year of football,” said Swen Swenson. “It could change, but I don’t think so. I think he is going to look at all his options and learn about the different academic programs at all the schools. I got to be honest, Michigan is such an awesome academic school and Erik is either interested in becoming a coach or sports management, I know with the Ross school there and Steve Ross being the owner of the Dolphins. And I know with current and former NFL guys that come in and learn business and things like that—it is very exciting for Erik.”
But his father did admit Michigan is pretty high on his sons current school list.
“Well if I had to pick Erik’s top-five schools. It would be Michigan No.1 without a doubt. Notre Dame probably No. 2. Northwestern No. 3., and I would say Ohio State No.4. and maybe Stanford at (No. 5).”
Michigan is the second school to offer Swenson, following Illinois. Oh, and Erik is a 6'6", 280-pound high school sophomore, so presumably many more are to come unless other schools see the above quotes and give in to the seemingly inevitable.
Commit Updates: Speight, Bunting, Rivals250 Rankings
Wilton Speight discussed his Elite11 performance (with highlights), being a part of the #1-ranked class—on ESPN, at least—and his goals for next season:
This week's must-read is Chantel Jennings' feature on tight end commit Ian Bunting—it's unfortunately paywalled, but I had to include this line ($):
But there was one last thing about Michigan that seemed kind of perfect for Ian, and that was his grandmother’s connection there [U-M graduate].
She had been ill for quite a while by the time Ian was in the thick of his recruitment, and when Ian visited her he generally did most of the talking during the conversation. But his grandmother always managed to ask if Michigan had offered yet.
“No,” he always had to tell her.
They had interest, but they had yet to offer the scholarship.
Just three days after she passed away, the call and offer came from Michigan.
“I think she might have had a chat with Bo Schembechler up in heaven,” Bunting joked.
If you have Insider, the whole article is well worth your time.
Rivals unveiled their complete, updated Rivals250 this week. Michael Ferns had a big drop, falling from #84 to #128; Michigan's other commits moved down slightly, and TTB has the whole rundown of Wolverine targets to crack the list.
TTB's overview of the new 247 2015 rankings, which features plenty of players with early Michigan interest.
New 2015 offers went out to TX OLB Anthony Wheeler, FL DB Kevin Toliver (LSU commit), and FL ATH Jeffrey Holland, per multiple outlets. All three made the aforementioned Top247, with Toliver and Holland—high school teammates at Jacksonville Trinity Christian—both in the top 40.
2015 Cincinnati (OH) St. Xavier OLB Justin Hilliard—who holds early offers from the likes of Arkansas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and Penn State—wants to camp at Michigan and Notre Dame this summer, per Scout's Dave Berk ($).