that's unfortunate, but at least the interest is there on both sides
You can't have one without the other? I earlier profiled DT Commit Terry Talbott, so let's take a look at his younger brother Terrence.
Terrence, meanwhile, is a cover corner with a ton of athletic ability. "He's a true cover guy. He's a great open field tackler with an unbelievable amount of athletic ability. He has a 38-39 inch vertical. He has a lot of great things going for him."
Of course he's going to say good things about his players, but it sounds as though Michigan may be in on an underrated athlete, no? One major point of contention, however, is his height. Terrence is listed as short as 5-8.5, or as tall as 5-11. I would wager that just under 5-10 is probably the safest bet for an accurate height.
Cincinnati, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, Wisconsin, Marshall. Terrence was unofficially offered back in June, and had that offer officially confirmed near the end of July. Kentucky and Wisconsin really wanted both brothers, from the sounds of things.
A rudimentary search for stats turned up no results. If anyone else has better luck, let me know in the comments.
FAKE 40 TIME
4.47, as listed by Rivals, is pretty fast. For a guy who has offers from the likes of Kentucky and Wisconsin, rather than, say, conference contenders, it's probably a little on the low side. I'll give it two FAKEs.
Scouting Ohio brings the goods:
That big hit at 0:21 is on fellow Michigan target TE Alex Smith (HT: Carcajous).
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Terrence is not an elite player, or at least the recruiting sites don't think so at this point. Without a breakout senior year in which he proved all the doubters wrong, he's probably a low 3-star guy. That likely means a redshirt year and a couple years on special teams duty before he gets a chance in the defensive rotation.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
MIchigan is sorely lacking in DBs, so gaining a commitment from one is, obviously, a good thing. They'll still keep taking all the DBs they can get their grubby little paws on (I'm looking at you, Christian and Ifill). The only notable affect this has on the class at large is that it means they inch closer to the scholarship limit.
The Talbotts are teammates of 2011 QB (and the #1 prospect in Ohio) Braxton Miller. Taking these two certainly won't hurt Michigan's chances with Miller.
Time for a bit of googlestalkin' each of Michigan's newest two commits. First up: DT Terry.
|3*, DT #50||3*||2*, 73, DT #115|
Talbott is a slightly smaller, and currently low-ranked, defensive tackle prospect. Here's ESPN on him:
If he stays inside he will need to add serious bulk to his frame. Looks on film to have the build to be able to add more good size... Works to try and generate some power from his lower body when he engages a blocker. Needs to work on being able to shed from the block. Will flash the ability to explode off the ball and get into a blocker and power his way into the backfield. He can be disruptive when he does this, but will usually drop his head down and can run by the play or get caught up with the blocker. He is a solid wrap-up tackler. Plays with a good motor and will pursue to the ball. Displays adequate speed and short-area change-of-direction skills. While build-wise a move to end may be a better fit, long term skill-wise staying at tackle may be better.
Duane Long, an Ohio State recruiting analyst:
Notice how often he does not use his hands. Needs alot of work. He is just beating his opponents with elite level explosion off the ball. I have not heard measurables listed yet but the words "physical specimen" are being thrown about.
As a caveat, those things were said when he still thought Talbott would end up at OSU, but those words are not to be taken lightly either way.
Not to be left out in the effusive praise train, Wayne coach Jay Minton says:
"He's very big, very explosive and has a great change of direction," Minton said. "He's got an uncanny ability to get to the football and control the line of scrimmage. He creates a new line of scrimmage."
Sounds like a very talented player. As with many of Michigan's commits, his rankings are limited a bit by a slight tweener status. However, he'll develop into a true DT at Michigan.
Arkansas, Cincinnati, Connecticut, Illinois, Kentucky, Michigan State, NC State, UCLA, Wisconsin. Michigan offered Terry in early June. According to Ohio State recruiting guru Duane Long (in the article linked above), he was one of the best prospects at the OSU camp, and was close to a Buckeye offer:
We are kicking around alot of names right now with the camp but I am not going to be surprised to see this one as the next Buckeye offer.
Terry is a defensive tackle for his Huber Heights Wayne team, and therefore does not accrue any meaningful statistics.
FAKE 40 TIME
4.8 per Rivals, Scout gives us another decimal point in precision, and says 4.87. Though Terry is a DT, he's an undersized one who will have to put on a bunch of weight when he gets to college. As a 265-pounder, that's a feasible time, and receives only one FAKE out of three.
Scouting Ohio is pretty awesome for video any time there's a commit from The Buckeye State:
ESPN also has a non-embeddable highlight video of their own.
PREDICTION BASED ON FLIMSY EVIDENCE
Athletic but undersized, Talbott is cruisin' for a redshirt in his first year in Ann Arbor. Michigan can afford this, as they lose basically nobody on the defensive interior following the 2009 season. He'll put on weight, learn to refine his technique, and hopefully be ready to contribute in the 2011 season. At that point, he'll probably be an explosive, penetrating tackle, like the fellows that gave Ohio State a world of trouble in the 2006 and 2007 National Championship games.
UPSHOT FOR THE REST OF THE CLASS
Michigan is thin on defensive line, so Talbott helps shore that up. If an elite prospect like Sharrif Floyd were to favor Michigan, they certainly wouldn't turn him away. The biggest affect these commitments have on the rest of the class is filling the thing up.
Profile of (non-twin) brother the cornerback later today. The Talbotts are teammates of 2011 QB (and the #1 prospect in Ohio) Braxton Miller. Taking these two certainly won't hurt Michigan's chances with Miller. Post-visit interview by TomVH.
This is not absolutely confirmed, as I didn't even think to ask about it, but the new jerseys are practice jerseys only. The home uniform will not be changing, and I don't think the away ones will either.
A couple quick things from Rodriguez's post-practice presser:
- Brandon Minor, though he was limited today, is just about healthy. He should practice full-go tomorrow, and if not, definitely at the next practice (Monday).
- Toussaint's injury is a shoulder or bicep problem, but nothing serious. Still, from the way Rodriguez talked about him, Fitz might be heading for a redshirt this year (lots of RBs, only need to play the ones who are ready).
- Still no word on Jason Forcier's status in joining the team. They believe they'll hear any time now.
- Hemingway is going to be an important player for the offense - it sounds like he might even be the #2 split end.
- Stokes is going to start out at outside receiver - there was no mention of slot for him.
- Roy Roundtree, on the other hand, will play both inside and outside receiver positions.
- About 10 true freshmen will probably be contributors this year. Though he didn't mention anyone by name at that time, expect Will Campbell, Vlad Emilien, Vincent Smith, and Je'Ron Stokes to be among them.
- Stevie Brown said the defense is improving a lot under new coordinator Greg "GERG" Robinson (duh).
- They work a ton on fundamentals and especially tackling.
- Teric Jones is pretty impressive at corner (he had a pick yesterday) despite being new to the position
- Dave Molk says that the offensive line really came together over the course of last year, and his becoming comfortable with making calls from the center position was a big part of that.
- The QB situation is much better this year than last because now there are 3 viable options.
- Mike Martin (who Dave has to battle in practice) is "one strong bastard."
- Carlos Brown feels as healthy as he has in a very long time.
- Denard is a fast kid, but he and Carlos haven't settled who is faster. Carlos is just glad that Denard is on his team.
...and speaking of Denard, Carlos also mentioned that the segment of practice that was closed to the media involved some scrimmaging. Denard apparently broke off a pretty big run during that segment. You should be able to catch it on tonight's Big Ten Network special. Tune into BTN at 10PM to check it out. You may even be pleasantly surprised at the crew's impression of the 2009 Wolverines.
First: Tim attended the open section of the practice and posted some initial thoughts. He'll be at the 12:45 press conference as well. Meanwhile, the Big Ten Network gets unfettered access to the whole thing. Assorted highlights below. BONUS: I think this whole "everything in the world is scattered in 140-char chunks across twitter" thing is going to be rampant in the future so I inaugurated a new tag: "twitter for humans."
OH MY GOD SHOULDER PADS
Robinson "has better touch and a tighter spiral than I predicted on the long ball."
That shot of Michigan's tiny, tiny quarterbacking contingent is from the Big Ten Network, which is taking in today's practice in its entirety. They are tweeting and twitpicing and so forth and whatnot. It's all very sound-and-fury-signifying-eh-not-much, but here's a fun fact:
Why's the ceiling so high? Michigan went around and measured all the nation's indoor facilities to make sure its was the highest.
I bet one dollar that there's a closet somewhere in Schembechler Hall full of Enzyte. A locked closet.
Also, this child…
…would be very cute if he wasn't on the two deep at safety. Sad commentary on the secondary depth: some of you are checking the link to see if that's true.
You mean the tweedle-dos can be useful? Dave Revsine is also twittering up a storm. The BTN's ability to take in practices from everyone leads to interesting comparisons:
Amazing how much smaller Michigan's skill guys are than OSU and PSU. Not a positive or a negative -- just a different philosophy.… Again -- interesting to see difference in philosophy. I've seen more WR's working on blocking in 1st 20 mins than last 2 days combined
Revsine's also jumping to conclusions on one Tate Forcier:
Initial impression -- Forcier has a nice arm. Looks good. Throws well on run. Robinson a tad more inconsistent, but still fine for scheme. … It's amazing how poised and confident Forcier looks. As Howard said to me, "he has 'it'". Just has an impressive air about him.
[UPDATE: Revsine's final thought:
Tate Forcier is the PERFECT QB for the Michigan system. Good arm,very comfortable throwing on the run and good speed and scrambling ability
I have been looking forward to It ever since we lost It sometime around the Horror. More QBs:
Denard Robinson has looked accurate on short passes during team work. Clearly the #3 at this point, but obviously it's very early.
Also, Vincent Smith looks "really good" because he is "tough to catch," it's "pretty obvious" Patrick Omameh "will be able to help." Aaand if there was a twitter wishing well I'd throw 140 characters down it to make this come true:
Lot of emphasis on one on one tackling -- which was a liability for this team last year. Hard to tell from practice, but looks better.
O'Neil Swanson is a true frosh walk-on from the cradle of football, West Bloomfield, Michigan. He went to Country Day and checks in at an impressive 5-10 156 (which is exactly my height/weight).
Looks like we've got our own Paki O'Meara, though ours is less terrifyingly close to the top of the depth chart. Rothstein also mentions that Justin Turner's a little behind:
While everyone else watched M drill, turner was off on the side not in pads working on backpedaling
Minor and Mathews were in non-contact green. Minor's thing is a lingering headache (concussion?) from a car accident a few weeks ago; we'll no doubt find out what's up with Mathews at this afternoon's press conference.
- Rothstein ran down the first team offense and it was exactly as you might expect: Forcier, Minor, Koger, etc. Huyge still appears to be the leader at right tackle. Okay no big deal except at one spot…
- With Mathews out the nominal first team wide receivers were Hemingway and Savoy. We've started to hear some nice things about Savoy, but given his extremely limited production to date that says more about Stonum. The things are not nice. Hopefully this is a get-on-the-same-page sort of thing?
- Rothstein noted a couple guys in red riding bikes and then made some notable omissions from his second-team offense: Carlos Brown and Rocko Khoury. And maybe Ricky Barnum, but it's hard to tell.
- Rothstein can identify "Jock Jams" in less than three notes.
- aaarghghghgahghagargh from Birkett:
Michigan's punt returners are having problems catching (or judging) the ball. During the morning punt period, with no oncoming cover team, return men Carlos Brown, Terrence Robinson and Martavious Odoms dropped three consecutive catchable balls.
- Birkett focused on Brandon Herron quite a bit, noting he (and RVB) got the best of Ortmann and Dorrestein in a couple drills—eek left tackle—and claiming he is "primed for a big season." I might switch my twitter wishing well request to this one.
Also: maybe we will get some use out of a Grady after all. Kelvin Grady was widely expected to spend this year fastened to the bench as he reacclimated to football, but after some impressive performances (including one sweet practice catch I mentally filed as IN, 1, protection N/A—WOO FOOTBALL COMIN') in practice Rodriguez thinks he'll see the field:
"We’re not in full pads yet, but what I’ve seen in three days, Kelvin Grady’s going to play for us this year. He’s a very quick learner, he’s very coachable, he’s got ball skills. And I think we have a position that fits him perfectly in that slot."
At the very least it's another shot at a punt returner who won't fumble the ball. Here's some high school video to whet your appetite and not remind you of McGuffie in any way:
There's also a dead ringer for Javon Ringer's long one when he escaped from Shawn Crable.
We're in, and by we I mean Tim. Huzzah.
A few quick notes from today's practice. More coming this afternoon, since Rich will meet with the press at the conclusion of practice.
- If Vincent Smith is actually 5-6ish, there is no way Denard Robinson is anything taller than 5-10. Denard is overstated on the roster, but I also think Smith might be a little taller than previously thought.
- Denard didn't look too shaky during practice. I know other reports have been concerned with his throwing, but it didn't seem too bad. That doesn't mean he's the next Peyton Manning, but he's certainly capable of throwing it.
- A little bit more on this in the coming days, but it seems as though the infamous "Frozen O-line" play from the beginning of last year will be changed for 2009. [Editor's note: this was the play where no one on the offense would move except for the QB and the WRs; it was designed to pull opponents offside and prevent them from jumping the snap and only worked intermittently.] Instead of the QB floating a ball deep, he was taking a knee. This might will encourage the referees to actually make an offsides call.
- Kevin Grady was playing both fullback and tailback during practice. He lined up at fullback in the I-formation (as did Moundros).
- The most impressive player to me was Mike Cox. Especially during the "M" drill, he was running with authority, breaking a couple tackles, and using a combination of power and jukes to run it. He's not quite Brandon Minor (who did not practice), but he's definitely going to be a useful replacement when Minor moves on (or is inevitably injured during the course of the year).
- Speaking of Cox, Troy Woolfolk uncorked a big hit on him during one of the reps in the "M" drill.
- Darryl Stonum tweaked a knee blocking during the drill. He looked to be in pain, but got up and walked off on his own power. Hopefully that means it's nothing serious.
- In other minor injury news, Fitzgerald Toussaint tweaked his left biceps, but again, it didn't appear to be too serious